Roundtable Conversation Setup

Rhett 0:14

Well , hello everybody , welcome back to another episode of Armchair Authentic , a podcast with Rhett and Justin , and our hope truly is to help you fulfill your God assignment through real conversations about real life with real people .

Justin 0:28

Yeah , rhett , we had such a great conversation with Lance Ingram last episode and sometimes there's a conversation , but then there's the conversation that happens after , and the things that Lance began to say to us really stood out , because here's some context for you . We're sitting around the table , the lights are off , if you will , and Rhett is now asking him what are you dreaming about ? That's some of the stuff on the horizon for Warrior United and the Ingram crew , and Lance began to open up that , after 12 years of just relentlessly writing these books and creating these resources , that it's time to rest . And really he even jumped on refocus in that moment and even the stuff that could come with that , where you begin to wonder , like what is my next step ? And all this stuff comes out . But then he jumped on this other topic for the entrepreneurial spirits who's listening ? He started talking about the resilience that it takes to bust through some of these walls in order to achieve the assignment that God's created for you , and you and I were listening and thought people need to hear this message .

Rhett 1:36

Yeah , in fact , after our conversation we asked Lance if this was something that we could include on the episode . He's like , absolutely so . Hey , man , really excited about jumping into this with you . Our listeners Really believe it's going to be a blessing . There's our conversation . After our conversation with Lance Ingram .

A Season Of Pausing

Lance 1:54

Right now I'm in a season of just pausing and listening and not focusing on the ministry and the not focusing on books , not focusing on anything else other than okay , let's take a breather . I've spent 12 years , almost 12 years , writing books and I'm tired , you know , I'm just tired , I'm exhausted , because it takes a lot to do even one of these , and then you add four and it's a whole lot . And so I feel like God has taken me through this 12 year season of writing books , but now he's going to take me into more of a season of speaking about them , so just connecting people to the resources , because I mean I'm getting opportunities I mean all over the southeast especially , but even some across the country to now go and speak about these , which is great because , again , this platform has been built obviously on God's word , but God's word through Warrior and through these other books , and what it's done is it's established some authority and credibility in this brand to now be able to go and share about these . So really it's been about creating resources . Now it's about just connecting people to the resources .

Lance 3:15

I believe that a spirit , given idea , is a burden until it's fleshed out . So it's a burden to you , meaning if God gives you something and he says I want you to do something with it , it's something that you're both compelled to do something with , so you have a passion about it . So it's not like a , it's not a miserable burden , if that makes sense . It's just a weight . It's a weight that .

Lance 3:40

God's given you , but until you flesh it out , until you put it out on paper , until you write it , until you print it , until you finish that's the key word until you finish the resource or you finish the song , or you finish the idea that he's given you the podcast , until you actually do it , it's always going to remain a burden , like I wish people could hear what I have in my heart . I wish people knew what God has put right here , and

The Relief of Completing An Assignment

Lance 4:07

so it's always going to feel like a weight until you've actually finished it . And I felt a weight for 12 years . I felt a tremendous weight for 12 years , but now I don't feel weight . It's crazy . It's first time in 12 years I have not felt the weight so good and and that's a big deal .

Lance 4:24

Yeah , because I even feel like some Members of my family even would be like are you okay ?

Rhett 4:31

Sometimes like yeah , yeah , okay , Well .

Lance 4:33

I mean is everything going okay with you ? I'm just exhausted . Yeah , why are you exhausted ? All the time , you know I mean , that's , that's come from friends , and yeah , people all over the place just are . Why are you so tired ? Well , just one assignment by itself , with all the spiritual weight that comes with it .

Lance 4:49

Mm-hmm and not to mention the , the mental weight , and just the , the physical weight , because of the fact that you have to put in a lot of . You know there's there's a lot of strain and stress To make them happen , but it'll , it'll tire you out and that's why we we must get our rest , and so I'm thankful that the burden has been lifted off of me for a season to now just just breathe and go . God , thank you for the thousand families that are using this book , you know . Thank you for the , for the thousands that have gotten this United for victory book and this and are being , you know , in Used in small groups . And thank you for the 20,000 men who are using this work , like , like , sit still . Thank him for all he's done .

Lance 5:32

But but get refreshed and get refocused . And I'm in a season right now , just to be transparent , I'm in a season where I'm going hey God , what , what is next ? And and that's a tough season to be in where , because I want rest but I also want to know what's next , you know what I mean .

Lance 5:45

So it's like it's a wiring that you have to it's like God you know , I'm not used to being still like give me something else to do , because I like having something to do . Although it is stressful and it's exhausting , it's great to have something to do . We all need it . I do feel like I'm in a moment right now where I'm just kind of waiting and and and resting and it's good . It's good , but it's also testing patients and it's a balance .

Justin 6:07

It was , you know . We went from being like you got to be doing something all the time .

Rhett 6:10

Yeah .

Justin 6:11

The past few years we've been in this deal of rest . Both of them are great , but what we'll do is we'll go overboard one side or the other . Yeah when it's okay To want to be doing something and it's okay to find rest at the same time yeah like it's okay , it's not bad because we're wired different ways .

Justin 6:30

Yeah and different people need different things . And you know You're talking about that pressure and that stress , like you're in a war . I mean , we're soldiers in this same war but we've got these different battles that we're in and then with that you have different levels of the Infantry . On what part do you are in the war ? And you have been like not just in the war , but you're in the battle . But you're not just in the battle . You've been on the front lines and it will exhaust you . And now you're having a little bit of this moment where it's like , all right , it's your time to go rest while you have the other watchman taking care of things . But at the same time you're still in the battle and you're still in the war . That's why there's gonna be these assignments continuing .

Justin 7:09

His yoke is easy , his burdens light . And that voice that tells all of us , that tells every one of the listeners when they're about to do something , that same voice that says what in the world are you thinking ? We can be full of faith all day , and we need to be , but it doesn't take away the human element of our flesh being wore out by saying no or by picking up the spear and doing this . These are great because these are disciplines we have to have . But

Battle Weary

Justin 7:40

it's still Exhausting to take that spear to go to battle and take care of that issue . In these liminal stages , sometimes these in between stages we just we do have to take a breath and we have to just say , okay , what's next ? But the wearing outside sometimes we can almost put that as a something's wrong .

Justin 8:01

Hmm but it doesn't mean that . It just means that you've been a soldier doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing , and you just might be weary right now here .

Lance 8:10

We are 12 years later and I'm still standing victorious . And that's the key is you're standing tired , you're worn out , but you know what ? I got that spear still in my hand , ready , and it's bloody , but I'm ready for the next battle . Yeah however , it's time , lance , for you to just just sit down for a minute . We got a different point guard in the game right now . Just get your , get your breath before you , because remember , we got four quarters and you're in the first quarter your battle .

Justin 8:36

Weary , which is good , but you know what ? We're not . This came to my head because I've been in these seasons where if I'm not doing something , it's a different kind of weary , it's like a bitter weary , yeah , yeah because you're not moving and doing your stuff .

Justin 8:49

So you're in this mindset of it's easier to compare . It's true , it's easier to look at everybody else and get frustrated , but when you have this weariness right now of just resting , you've got an amazing wife , an amazing family , all your ministry , all these books , these are , these are this . Is you stewarding your calling ?

Rhett 9:07

Yeah , so .

Justin 9:07

God has on your life which will wear us out , but it's battle weary .

Rhett 9:13

Yeah , we have a supernatural God living within our natural bodies . Yeah , we're not called like . We have the supernatural power within us , but we're natural at this point . Yeah we've not been fully redeemed in the super , and so , like we were not supermen or superwomen , I mean we were , we're human , yeah , and we're still humanity .

Rhett 9:33

And so I mean , when we planted the church , you know , I just came off . You know , five years of just going , really longer than that , I'm just going going , going . I was the same way , dude . I was like , all right , what's next ? What's next , what's that ? Keep moving , keep moving . You know , plant a church , okay , grow a church , grow a church and get going . And , dude , I was moving at an unhealthy pace so fast the church was growing , the church was being blessed that . You know .

Rhett 9:54

I hit a point to where my wife was like I'm out , dude , like I love you and I love God's church , but you are just becoming a different version of yourself . That you know . You say you love this , but you really don't . I was tired , I was worn out , I was exhausted , I was past the point of empty . I was like on the reserve tanks of ministry . And so , you know , god spoke to me . Through that I got help and got healing , you know , counseling different things , and in through that journey , god was calling me into a season of San . Hey , man , you were in this season , this assignment , yes , you were called to plant this church because I had that burden . I was like , with everything you were saying , it's like I can't , if I cannot , plant the church because I know God's called me to do it . And so God called us to plan a church and I thought it was there forever . But God's assignment wasn't forever for us , it was to build the foundation , to pass it to a new pastor and allow that thing to continue to grow . And it has it is and it's moving forward . But I didn't realize how tired I was and everybody that was next was next where you going Like I literally passed the church dude to you know , a new pastor , not having a clue what was next , yeah , no clue .

Rhett 10:55

Walking into the unknown and this past year for me was a season of a year of rest Is the hardest thing I've ever done in my entire life , because I'm like you man , I want to do something , got that entrepreneur , I got to do , create something , make something , do . And it was like slow your roll , bro . So I've just kind of been hiding under the radar . Of course I don't have books like you and so forth . Most mine was in the church plant , but at the end of the day it's still the same scenario You're going , you're going , you're going . And it's like I would beat myself up and in going I should . I Feel bad that I'm resting and I'm able to rest .

Lance 11:30

Oh yeah , you're hitting on it . You're hitting on a topic right now . I mean , like I feel so , like I struggle with .

Rhett 11:36

I struggle with that I do because I'm a doer , naturally . I

Struggle With Rest And Productivity

Rhett 11:39

mean I'm a do , I'm a developer , but I'm a doer and I like to get things done . And it's been the hardest thing for me to slow down . But Justin's been a great reminder to me to say listen , man , yeah , I know where you slow down , but you're gaining so much because of . Look at your family , look at what's going on with your wife and her job that she's doing now and the Fulfillment that's happening in the flourishment . She's at Highlands College and doing great thing . Look at your son . He's at Moody high school all those friends and he's involved at Church of the Highlands and the youth group and every and look at what God's doing there .

Rhett 12:06

And you know and look what you're doing , even though from a distance , you're helping the church in Idaho and coaching and consulting and you're building this relief , pastor thing , relief . God's calling me to serve pastors with relief right now .

Lance 12:16

There's a whole another thing about later .

Rhett 12:18

but when you're mentioning this whole resting , I'm like dude , I like work , I get it . I just spent the last year having the hardest time in and I feel I felt less than really struggling with my identity .

Lance 12:28

I'm not moving things forward like I normally do it is so hard for us to rest and and that is one of my greatest struggles is even being inactive for like ten minutes . I almost feel guilty about turning on , because I work from home and own my own marketing and web technologies business . Even if I turn on the TV for ten minutes just to stop .

Rhett 12:51

Yeah .

Lance 12:51

I feel guilty for it and I think , I think that and that's a good thing , that's a good thing in a way .

Lance 12:57

Yeah , because we are called to fight and to Try hard and to expend our efforts to fight for our families and to provide for our families and to do it's a good thing . It's the way God wired us as the , the leaders of the household . But it can also be used to create a a sense of Dis-ease in our minds and in our emotions , just because of the fact that you can't take a break of Of from from just the thoughts .

Rhett 13:30

Yeah .

Lance 13:30

I'm not even talking about just just like being inactive physically . Yeah , like it's the thoughts of like I should be doing something right now , or , or man , I , you know I need , I need to work harder , I need to go knock on her door , I need to go send an email , I need to do this , and and oh , look at what that person's doing there .

Rhett 13:46

They're doing a lot yeah and so it is a .

Lance 13:48

You know , I keep using this word . I feel like Nick Saban , but discipline is what it all comes down to is being able to discipline our minds and our , our bodies , to to receive the rest and to receive the , the spirits air . Remember that .

Lance 14:04

That we've got to have in order to succeed , because without that , I do think about the analogy of the the axe and sharpening the axe and making sure that we're not hitting the tree so many times without sharpening the axe that it's having a diminishing return . We've got to take time , just as Jesus did , to rest , and God I mean even God did God didn't need to rest .

Lance 14:28

He didn't need to rest but he , but , he did to show us the importance of how right rest is what really helps us survive , and I found that rest , without adequate rest though , those fruits of the spirit man , they , they usually flee , they , they tend to die , in my house at least in me when I don't have adequate like physical rest , and so the mental and physical impact that rest has on the . The toll that Ministry takes on you is tremendous . It's not just a small . I mean , we could spend an entire podcast talking about the importance of rest . So but that's the .

Lance 15:06

That's the season I'm in right now is a season of waiting , listening and Get adequate sleep , not just , not just spiritual rest , but also physical sleep in order to function the way that God wants to use . Yeah , and man , there's . There is a great emphasis on sleep when it comes to spiritual health .

Rhett 15:29

Well , maybe , maybe , through this season of rest , when you figure it out and how to know and learn how to do it Well , that you can help other men and leaders do it . Yeah right , that book they get . The end of the day , it's like you know what I'm just gonna . I'm gonna discipline myself to enjoy Just that breath . So , lance , you've talked about your united for victory book and having 42 leaders that you've have in this book and which I think is just completely inspiring , not only to be able to read , obviously , but if I'm thinking through the mindset of just how practical , like the practical steps you took as Somebody you might have already had these relationships with these men in this book . You might not have , I don't know , but

Connecting With Influential Men For Book

Rhett 16:07

can you kind of walk through the process of some of the practical things you did To , to to get this book started ?

Rhett 16:13

Because , like to me , I'm like dude Dave Ramsey , Craig Rochelle , you know , coach , guest smells on , I mean all the other , the list of goes on of incredible men who God's using in different platforms in in in our culture today , and I'm sitting here thinking , well , you know somebody's listening . They're like well , I mean , that's Lance , of course Lance able to do that . I mean , he must know these are and have these relationships . Maybe maybe you did , maybe didn't , but I'm curious how you leverage Maybe your influential relationships or just some cold calling , you know , to where you . Just what was that process like ? What did that look like ? Because I could only imagine that these guys get hit up on a level Like thousands of emails a day of people that are asking for them to endorse things or be a part of things . And how in the world Did you break , break through with these men that are specifically in this ? 42 .

Lance 16:58

Well , first off , you better put your big boy pants on , because you're gonna get some rejections and you're gonna get some . You're gonna get a lot of Corresponds that gets ignored , and that never deterred me from sending out an email . You can't be fearful that , hey , I'm not gonna get a , an email back from these people , because they're you know some big deal . You can't fear to write the email . And so much of this project was just persistence . It was like just keep going , keep going , perseverance . And you know , when I set out to to put this Collection together of these 42 men writing these stories , I just kept thinking about the practical , the moment when I would finally get to use it . I can go into a conference room and I can hand this to a businessman . And it's not weird , it's not like me trying to sell myself or anything like that is going . Hey , I think you'll like these . Put it on the back of the John . I look at this book and I see something completely different than most people see .

Lance 17:53

I see like thousands of hours of work and yeah and Rejection texts and and hey , I'll get that to you . I mean , there , there men who said they were gonna be in it and and I finally just had to give up on them because they wouldn't , they wouldn't follow through . So much of this project was spirit led , in that I would send an email out , or I would call somebody , or I would find somebody who's in the same circle as this person I wanted to get to on social media . I would send them a Text or a little bit of information about it and I would pray and say , lord , if you want them to be in it , then let it . Then let it happen .

Lance 18:33

And With each of these 42 men and and some of them are you know , you would . You might not know who they are , but you know at least half of them , you probably do . Getting to those men was Often difficult . Now I gotta , I gotta do a give a shout out to Kirk Cousins . He was a guy who Resound to him . He emailed me back personally , said I'll have this to you in a week , and he had it back in four days .

Rhett 18:58

That's awesome and so .

Lance 18:59

So , like somebody like that , you , you got to learn how to obviously pitch the vision , and I'm a I'm good at vision pitching .

Rhett 19:06

Talk about that for a second , because it's one thing for somebody be sitting at home . Well , I just put together an email . What does that email consist of ? And how clear are you ? I mean , it's obviously probably not a full page . I mean , does it connect to a website ? And here's the dream , the vision , and here's how you can be a part , and here's how you're Gonna get royalties or whatever . I'm like what's ? How do you capture that in an email ?

Lance 19:25

Yeah , it was man . To answer that question is so complex , because it's really it is . It is using my business sense and also my spirit sense and Putting together hey , if I receive this email , what would I want to know ? I would want to know what , what the vision is here Like ? What are we trying to do ? Why are you even putting this together ? Who are you ? Why do you have credibility to be telling me this ? Who is in this project ? Is there anybody in it that's along my you know , in my you know ?

Rhett 19:54

yeah , yeah , so you already had some people that relationally , you had some connections with names that people recognize , oh there , were .

Lance 20:01

There were a few here and there and you know , just thinking back to it , rick Burgess , who is a A great friend of mine , who , with the Rick and Bubba show and he speaks to men all over the country now had a great Network that that I could access . But really most of the vast majority of these connections were cold calls and this should inspire some people out there because it was hey , we're putting this together . Is there any way that you would be willing to ? And then I would go into the pitch of , hey , we're putting 42 different men and 42 different lanes . Here would be your topic and it would be customized to the person that I would send it out to .

Lance 20:42

This would be your topic . This would kind of be the angle that we would , you know , advise that we go down and we would be happy to walk you through the process of writing it . We'll be happy to edit it , we would be happy to . If you are not comfortable writing , we will ghost write it through an interview with you , like that happened on on some of these stories . And so every man this is what's complex about the answer is that every man that we would pitch would be the same type of approach , but it would be customized to them and it would offer them plenty of Assistance as they .

Lance 21:17

They needed to get through to it . So , that being said , every man responded with something different , and so I have 42 . Like I said , yeah , this book has 42 stories in it , but I have 42 stories to talk about the 42 stories that were put together and so what like one guy found in here .

Lance 21:33

You probably wouldn't even know who he is , but he's on Fox News all the time . His name is Ryan Bomberger , he's with Radiance Foundation and he was conceived and this is pretty heavy stuff you want to talk about authentic . He was conceived in rape but he was adopted in love and now he goes speaking for pro-life For the way the pro-life message all over the country now and on Fox News . I mean all the time . He's on there talking about pro-life . Like I'm the one exception to the , to the abortion rule that everybody uses to justify , you know , abortion .

Lance 22:05

Yeah and so he talks about that and I heard his testimony online . I just heard it online and I said I'm getting in touch with this guy , found him I mean had like 10 million views or something on it and I was like I'm just gonna find this guy , I want his story to be in here . So reached out to him . He reaches back out , said I love to be a part of it . Well , puts his story in there and it's one of the most powerful stories in the whole book . And now we're in touch . What's so cool about this ? Is God created this book really for for me to connect with these men ? To Ryan Bomberger with Radiance Foundation is he's a part of this book ? But he contacted me a few months after it was launched and he said hey , I need 200 of those . I need 200 of them because we're putting them in . We're gonna go put them in pregnancy centers .

Lance 22:49

Let's go around the country come on to for a mentorship program that we're trying to , you know , get established at all of these different pregnancy centers because they don't have the resources and we want to teach these young men who come in and they don't know what to do with these . You know the situations they're in . He wanted to encourage them with the truth of His story and also God's word throughout , because he , because he saw the value of being able to be taught on friends and accountability and purity and prayer and .

Lance 23:16

God's word and discipline and faith and obedience and all these different subjects . And so he put those in 200 without me having to do a thing . He just said I want 200 of those . We're gonna put them in . You know these pregnancy centers around the country , and that's just one little story . I mean , I could keep going on . I'm sure those who are listening would be curious about this , but the Kansas City Chief's CEO is in this book , yeah , and again he's a different level of success . I mean worth just ridiculous amount of money that the Hunt Sports Group I mean they're , they're , they're famous family .

Lance 23:51

Yeah and it blew my mind the day .

Lance 23:53

It didn't blow my mind because I knew Jesus was over it all , but yeah it did blow my mind for a minute that I had reached out to one of his family members on Instagram and it sent the same pitch hey , here's what we're doing . We're trying to reach men with the gospel . This is what we want to do . This is the kind of timeline we're looking at . This is the topic that I would want him to to write about , and here we are , about Probably two weeks after that , and I get a call hey , this is the vice president of Hunt Sports Group .

Justin 24:25

And .

Lance 24:25

Clark Hunt is his name . The one sitting there talking to you know , Jim Nance . I guess was after the Super Bowl .

Lance 24:32

Yeah said , I represent the Hunt family and Clark Hunt and we want Him to be a part of this project . We heard about it through a message that you sent one of the family members and we want to be a part of it . The long shot of the message to the family member Guess what . They were on board and the prayer worked , and so it was not just prayer that worked and it was not just Reaching out that worked , it was prayer and reaching out .

Justin 24:58

And so it was .

Lance 24:59

So it was doing something in the spiritual realm , but it was also doing something in the natural realm . So there's this , this really concoction of Entrepreneurship but also Spirit-led strategy , and the Lord worked there and they worked with me to get a draft written based on the vision that we had cast , and it's an awesome story . It's an awesome story about stewardship , and so that's just two stories . And then you know , of course , you've got Tuatungavalo in it . You've got his dad , nalu Tungavalo , which I love , the Tungavalo family . They've just been , they've blessed me by being a part of this .

Lance 25:43

That story is crazy in and of itself . And getting a text from an 808 number while I'm on vacation , while I was resting , it was really cool because I've really been trying to get to them so that they could team up with us , because I knew their influence and everything . And Nalu , his father , a QB trainer , incredible quarterback trainer sat down with me and we had lunch and he loved the vision and got on board . This was before NIL , so we couldn't do anything with Tuat until he graduated . And he graduated , he was drafted and then we put his together . We took a different approach with him . I got to interview him and then we put it together and then he approved it and went through all that stuff and all the legal loopholes that have to happen .

Rhett 26:27

I can only imagine .

Lance 26:29

Times 42 . Yeah .

Lance 26:31

It was a lot , you know , I mean Dave Ramsey being on board and just the relationship I got to shout out , Patty Harris , who is his assistant , who was so instrumental in making that happen , but really the process of going through all of these different avenues to get to people . Each one of them was so dynamic but it began with vision , casting vision , communicating it as concisely as possible , but also knowing that it was going to be a brutal road to make this happen because of so many rejections . And I will tell you this little story about putting United for Victory together , that I think we were about three to four months in when I thought it should have been done . By this point I was like you know , I went in with the completely naive mindset of I'll have this bad boy six months , It'll be . You know , we'll be dipping these things out .

Lance 27:24

Oh no , we were six months in and I think we had like 10 guys , and I really was . I was in a place where I was about to give up on it . I was like Lord , just doors keep shutting . And I will never forget getting that email from the Ramsey team saying , hey , he's in , he's in . I said , okay , well , that's good .

Lance 27:40

And it gave me that manner for the season that I was in to keep going , you know , and I needed that , I really did , and because we're human , we're human .

Lance 27:49

At some point we do go . All right , God , I need you to show me something , give me something , or I'm the star of here . I'm the star of here . You know , I'm done and he did and he provided that . And it's almost like every time I'd get a little bit discouraged . Okay , I'm at 19 men or 22 men or whatever it is he's , something else would fall into place , and so it took about two and a half three years to put that one together . It was very rewarding at the end of it to go Wow , it's just 42 stories to some people that pick it up . But , man , it is years of prayer and perseverance and connecting and praying and pacing and backing up a little bit and then going forward a little bit and then going okay , this one's just . I just feel a check in my spirit . This is just not going to work out anymore . I'm going to shut that door , stop communicating with certain men about it . And he just put it together . The Lord put it together . He just needed a feisty little dude to come along to .

Lance 28:49

You know , send those emails out , send that vision out and keep going , keep going . If there's

Perseverance in Pursuing God's Calling

Lance 28:55

one thing about me , I'm a fighter . I'm just going to keep going . You know , I may not be the biggest guy I ain't even close to the biggest guy but you know what ? I don't need to be the biggest guy , because I've got God with me and he's going to go out with me into battles . As you've said before , justin , I don't need to put on Saul's armor . I got it . God's going to take me , god's going with me and I'm going to walk out there and I've got the Lord of Heaven's armies on my side . Why would I ever be worried about an email being shot back to me that this person can't be in a book ? I ain't worried about getting rejected . I'm going to just keep going . I'm going to keep persevering and I'm like a nap man . I just keep coming . That's good .

Rhett 29:34

That's so good . Hey , man , you're so good . Thank you , yeah , go ahead . This is encouraging to people .

Justin 29:39

I mean people need to hear this , because we can all have ambitions and you've met people where it's just a bunch of agenda and it's just like stay away . But when you have that God , that worthy ambition , my goodness , you know that you cannot rest until you do this . It's something that God has put on me to pursue , and I've got to go , I can't quit In .

Lance 29:59

Galatians 110, . It's everything when it comes to that mindset is if I'm trying to please people , then I wouldn't even be a servant of God .

Justin 30:08

Yeah , but .

Lance 30:09

I'm not trying to please people , I'm trying to please my savior and I'm doing what he's got for me . So let whatever happens happen , because I'm gonna serve Jesus . And if it hurts me a little bit , if it Causes me inconvenience , if it takes away my comfort , if it does all that , then and so be it . But I'm not trying to win the approval of people around me . The Lations 110 is saying that you , it's impossible to please both God and man . It's absolutely impossible to do it . And so you choose . And if it's man that , don't send out the emails , don't . Don't worry about taking on an ambitious project , just just kind of sit back . You know , I don't worry about it .

Lance 30:48

At least I'll protect my ego and I don't have to get rejected by you know , I mean I'm , I'm still there . There are days when I I wish , I still wish we could have gotten to certain men To be in this , but at the same time , I know that God was over the whole thing and he , for whatever reason , allowed these men to be in it . Don't look for the approval of man , because it is it's . It's there one day and is gone the next .

Justin 31:13

And I've been one of those guys before the people pleasing side for years would kick in and you have things stick to you . And so , yes and Galatians , that scripture is huge because we do not live to please man . But unfortunately we get stuck pleasing men and that's why we become bitter , weary .

Lance 31:34

That's right , because we're not in the battle .

Justin 31:36

So we just get , as . I love the word that I always heard from PC they , yeah , yeah , crew Mm-hmm begins , unless you're willing to step into that arena and begin doing the battle to write a book like that and to go through the perseverance that it takes . I'm being inspired because I need these continual reminders when it comes to walking in your calling .

Lance 32:01

There is nothing easy about it . There's just nothing easy about it . It is it , yes , the spirit . When he's leading , there's going to be an affirmation from him that you are right where you need to be , but that every obstacle in the natural is gonna come and try to derail you from the next step that God wants you to take . Now . I'm telling you right now , if you step up and you take that next step , there is going to be some type of resistance , some type of obstacle , some type of opposition that is going to come your way to prevent you from doing that , because that is the entire Purpose of being on this earth is completing that assignment

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Rhett 32:41

Well , hey guys , that was a conversation after a conversation , with our buddy , lance , and Justin and I sitting around the table having a good time Just growing iron , sharpening iron . Well , listen , thank you for joining us on this episode of armchair authentic , a podcast with Brett and Justin . Our hope is to help you fulfill your God assignments and we're looking forward to our next episode . But before we do that , as always , just want to say thank you to those who have taken the time to rate and review the podcast . It means so much to us , but more than that , it truly is the best way we can serve people who aren't on this journey yet . So , thank you , and , as always , you can follow us on Twitter at armchair off pod Of course , it's called X now , but formerly known as Twitter . That's armchair off pod or Facebook or Instagram at armchair authentic . And , as always , we want to hear from you . We want you to be a part of this journey with us , so please take the time to email us at info at armchair authentic Authenticcom . We'll see you next week .